Category talk:Legendary - Revision history

Boromir at 22:58, 15 July 2011

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	Here's the list of folks that - thus far - have been suggested:		Here's the list of folks that - thus far - have been suggested:
	* [[Cadee]] - first level 50 bard		* [[Cadee]] - first level 50 bard
			* [[Clumsyfool]] - first character to ever get close to outpunning Coleman and the brewer of Mith Ale.
	* [[Coleman]] - injected a level of wit and humor that persists to this day.		* [[Coleman]] - injected a level of wit and humor that persists to this day.
	* [[Daelin]] - 2nd runner up behind Jerald for biggest mouth. Only person to be involuntarily reformed as punishment. Winner of the EEL Award.		* [[Daelin]] - 2nd runner up behind Jerald for biggest mouth. Only person to be involuntarily reformed as punishment. Winner of the EEL Award.

Cordir at 16:20, 11 June 2011

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	** Well.. except for the absolutes (wasn't Jaator 2nd level 50?) I still have my concerns :) Personifications and "mosts" just can't be agreed on. I shall suggest this... Make a new poll on the forums, make a big todo out of it, we can post it out to twitter and facebook. Then plan on doing it yearly. :) --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 10:16, 3 May 2011 (MST)		** Well.. except for the absolutes (wasn't Jaator 2nd level 50?) I still have my concerns :) Personifications and "mosts" just can't be agreed on. I shall suggest this... Make a new poll on the forums, make a big todo out of it, we can post it out to twitter and facebook. Then plan on doing it yearly. :) --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 10:16, 3 May 2011 (MST)
	*** I think a two pronged approach would be better: one for categorizing 1x - 3x characters, and one for 4x forward. There's a lot of people playing now that didn't play when many of the folks on that list were making history - and attrition is continuing to pick away at the older player base. (For example, I have a 2003 log when Erond was given the rank of Honorary Immortal, and active players like Dundrave didn't even know who he was. Erond was one of the MOST unique characters in TFC history, given that he was a Paladin three times, for three different immortals, and appears in the Room of Records three times. By any categorization: Legendary.) Heck, 3x's introduction was in 1997 -- that's FOURTEEN YEARS ago. I believe that we should create an initial established group, obtaining a minimum of five yes votes received, one of whom should be a Wiki Administrator to prevent vote-stacking, per character inducted. Then going forward, use your idea of an annual vote for 4x characters. (Though I am not sure if there's a means to do a poll of "Yes/No is this person Legendary" on the Forums?) [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 12:40, 3 May 2011 (MST)		*** I think a two pronged approach would be better: one for categorizing 1x - 3x characters, and one for 4x forward. There's a lot of people playing now that didn't play when many of the folks on that list were making history - and attrition is continuing to pick away at the older player base. (For example, I have a 2003 log when Erond was given the rank of Honorary Immortal, and active players like Dundrave didn't even know who he was. Erond was one of the MOST unique characters in TFC history, given that he was a Paladin three times, for three different immortals, and appears in the Room of Records three times. By any categorization: Legendary.) Heck, 3x's introduction was in 1997 -- that's FOURTEEN YEARS ago. I believe that we should create an initial established group, obtaining a minimum of five yes votes received, one of whom should be a Wiki Administrator to prevent vote-stacking, per character inducted. Then going forward, use your idea of an annual vote for 4x characters. (Though I am not sure if there's a means to do a poll of "Yes/No is this person Legendary" on the Forums?) [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 12:40, 3 May 2011 (MST)

			* Well, we never really got any kind of consensus, since 'Legendary' is subjective. So, I've made a category called First, to simply designate those who were, irrefutably, the first to do any particular major achievement. [[First!]] [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 09:20, 11 June 2011 (MST)

Cordir at 19:40, 3 May 2011

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	* OK, it sounds like we're kind of split. Do ya'll agree with all of those listed currently? Are there additional names you think need to be on the initial list? If ya'll do NOT agree with those listed, pipe up! [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 15:22, 2 May 2011 (MST)		* OK, it sounds like we're kind of split. Do ya'll agree with all of those listed currently? Are there additional names you think need to be on the initial list? If ya'll do NOT agree with those listed, pipe up! [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 15:22, 2 May 2011 (MST)
	** Well.. except for the absolutes (wasn't Jaator 2nd level 50?) I still have my concerns :) Personifications and "mosts" just can't be agreed on. I shall suggest this... Make a new poll on the forums, make a big todo out of it, we can post it out to twitter and facebook. Then plan on doing it yearly. :) --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 10:16, 3 May 2011 (MST)		** Well.. except for the absolutes (wasn't Jaator 2nd level 50?) I still have my concerns :) Personifications and "mosts" just can't be agreed on. I shall suggest this... Make a new poll on the forums, make a big todo out of it, we can post it out to twitter and facebook. Then plan on doing it yearly. :) --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 10:16, 3 May 2011 (MST)
			*** I think a two pronged approach would be better: one for categorizing 1x - 3x characters, and one for 4x forward. There's a lot of people playing now that didn't play when many of the folks on that list were making history - and attrition is continuing to pick away at the older player base. (For example, I have a 2003 log when Erond was given the rank of Honorary Immortal, and active players like Dundrave didn't even know who he was. Erond was one of the MOST unique characters in TFC history, given that he was a Paladin three times, for three different immortals, and appears in the Room of Records three times. By any categorization: Legendary.) Heck, 3x's introduction was in 1997 -- that's FOURTEEN YEARS ago. I believe that we should create an initial established group, obtaining a minimum of five yes votes received, one of whom should be a Wiki Administrator to prevent vote-stacking, per character inducted. Then going forward, use your idea of an annual vote for 4x characters. (Though I am not sure if there's a means to do a poll of "Yes/No is this person Legendary" on the Forums?) [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 12:40, 3 May 2011 (MST)

Natilena at 17:16, 3 May 2011

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	* OK, it sounds like we're kind of split. Do ya'll agree with all of those listed currently? Are there additional names you think need to be on the initial list? If ya'll do NOT agree with those listed, pipe up! [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 15:22, 2 May 2011 (MST)		* OK, it sounds like we're kind of split. Do ya'll agree with all of those listed currently? Are there additional names you think need to be on the initial list? If ya'll do NOT agree with those listed, pipe up! [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 15:22, 2 May 2011 (MST)
			** Well.. except for the absolutes (wasn't Jaator 2nd level 50?) I still have my concerns :) Personifications and "mosts" just can't be agreed on. I shall suggest this... Make a new poll on the forums, make a big todo out of it, we can post it out to twitter and facebook. Then plan on doing it yearly. :) --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 10:16, 3 May 2011 (MST)

Cordir at 22:23, 2 May 2011

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	* [[Cadee]] - first level 50 bard		* [[Cadee]] - first level 50 bard
	* [[Coleman]] - injected a level of wit and humor that persists to this day.		* [[Coleman]] - injected a level of wit and humor that persists to this day.
	* [[Daelin]] - 2nd runner up behind Jerald for biggest mouth.		* [[Daelin]] - 2nd runner up behind Jerald for biggest mouth. Only person to be involuntarily reformed as punishment. Winner of the EEL Award.
	* [[Dove]] - Epic Paladin		* [[Dove]] - Epic Paladin, most HP ever from 1x - 3x.
	* [[Erond]] - Legendary TRIPLE Paladin		* [[Erond]] - Legendary TRIPLE Paladin
	* [[Gaul\|Gaul Stone]] - Epic Paladin		* [[Gaul\|Gaul Stone]] - Epic Paladin

Cordir at 22:22, 2 May 2011

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	*There are those items that are hard facts though...Cadee, first 50 bard, provable. Grismal, while not provable due to lack of info...I think most of us that did play back then (when damage was not capped) that he -was- the hardest hitter, Syrinx, Ptar, Nyx, all hard fact. We could easily do something like that. And in all honesty, it should be noted:) --[[User:Katrana\|Katrana]] 18:48, 25 April 2011 (MDT)		*There are those items that are hard facts though...Cadee, first 50 bard, provable. Grismal, while not provable due to lack of info...I think most of us that did play back then (when damage was not capped) that he -was- the hardest hitter, Syrinx, Ptar, Nyx, all hard fact. We could easily do something like that. And in all honesty, it should be noted:) --[[User:Katrana\|Katrana]] 18:48, 25 April 2011 (MDT)

			* OK, it sounds like we're kind of split. Do ya'll agree with all of those listed currently? Are there additional names you think need to be on the initial list? If ya'll do NOT agree with those listed, pipe up! [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 15:22, 2 May 2011 (MST)

Cordir: Erond. TRIPLE Paladin. Nuff Said.

2011-05-02T22:21:04Z

Erond. TRIPLE Paladin. Nuff Said.

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	* [[Daelin]] - 2nd runner up behind Jerald for biggest mouth.		* [[Daelin]] - 2nd runner up behind Jerald for biggest mouth.
	* [[Dove]] - Epic Paladin		* [[Dove]] - Epic Paladin
			* [[Erond]] - Legendary TRIPLE Paladin
	* [[Gaul\|Gaul Stone]] - Epic Paladin		* [[Gaul\|Gaul Stone]] - Epic Paladin
	* [[Grayghost]] - taught the world to fear a mage...		* [[Grayghost]] - taught the world to fear a mage...

Cordir: added grayghost

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added grayghost

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	* [[Dove]] - Epic Paladin		* [[Dove]] - Epic Paladin
	* [[Gaul\|Gaul Stone]] - Epic Paladin		* [[Gaul\|Gaul Stone]] - Epic Paladin
			* [[Grayghost]] - taught the world to fear a mage...
	* [[Grismal]] - Hardest Hitter in TFC history		* [[Grismal]] - Hardest Hitter in TFC history
	* [[Ginny]] - Most prolific seductress		* [[Ginny]] - Most prolific seductress

Natilena at 02:19, 27 April 2011

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	* Ultimately this is a player-run wiki so I don't want to offer TOO much of an opinion but I'm concerned there will never be a consensus on this. I would consider instead looking at the real purpose of the legendary distinction. Is it to call out certain people from the masses? Why not instead organize the player page in a way that highlights them. By created year maybe? If they played for longer than 5 years they get to be bolded? Not sure exactly but I think that continuing along this line will either create a list that only certain players relate with OR a list that is almost a copy of the players page just because criteria is impossible.--[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 22:11, 24 April 2011 (MDT)		* Ultimately this is a player-run wiki so I don't want to offer TOO much of an opinion but I'm concerned there will never be a consensus on this. I would consider instead looking at the real purpose of the legendary distinction. Is it to call out certain people from the masses? Why not instead organize the player page in a way that highlights them. By created year maybe? If they played for longer than 5 years they get to be bolded? Not sure exactly but I think that continuing along this line will either create a list that only certain players relate with OR a list that is almost a copy of the players page just because criteria is impossible.--[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 22:11, 24 April 2011 (MDT)
	** Re: Natena - the purpose here (IMO) is to highlight exceptional and memorable player characters. TFC is approximately 17 years old, and full of amazing history that would have been lost to the ages if not for people like Cordir, Marisa, Kaern, etc. It is impossible to make a list whose criteria are perfect, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth the effort. Many organizations from pro sports to occupational associations have a "Hall of Fame", and nearly all inevitably are subjectively picked via member voting (and generate considerable controversy). Furthermore, TFC's official Hall of Fame is not maintained, and because of it's age is a list very few players can relate to. Yes we run the risk of excluding people, but I think the benefit of honoring great contributors outweighs the risk of alienation. Just my .02 cents! [[User:Rath\|Rath]]		** Re: Natena - the purpose here (IMO) is to highlight exceptional and memorable player characters. TFC is approximately 17 years old, and full of amazing history that would have been lost to the ages if not for people like Cordir, Marisa, Kaern, etc. It is impossible to make a list whose criteria are perfect, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth the effort. Many organizations from pro sports to occupational associations have a "Hall of Fame", and nearly all inevitably are subjectively picked via member voting (and generate considerable controversy). Furthermore, TFC's official Hall of Fame is not maintained, and because of it's age is a list very few players can relate to. Yes we run the risk of excluding people, but I think the benefit of honoring great contributors outweighs the risk of alienation. Just my .02 cents! [[User:Rath\|Rath]]
			*** I bow to your wishes, as i said to begin, this is a PLAYER wiki. I only offer advice, opinions and some options when I can. :D --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 20:19, 26 April 2011 (MDT)

Cordir: fixed gaul link

2011-04-26T15:01:20Z

fixed gaul link

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	* [[Daelin]] - 2nd runner up behind Jerald for biggest mouth.		* [[Daelin]] - 2nd runner up behind Jerald for biggest mouth.
	* [[Dove]] - Epic Paladin		* [[Dove]] - Epic Paladin
	* [[Gaul Stone]] - Epic Paladin		* [[Gaul\|Gaul Stone]] - Epic Paladin
	* [[Grismal]] - Hardest Hitter in TFC history		* [[Grismal]] - Hardest Hitter in TFC history
	* [[Ginny]] - Most prolific seductress		* [[Ginny]] - Most prolific seductress

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	** Well.. except for the absolutes (wasn't Jaator 2nd level 50?) I still have my concerns :) Personifications and "mosts" just can't be agreed on. I shall suggest this... Make a new poll on the forums, make a big todo out of it, we can post it out to twitter and facebook. Then plan on doing it yearly. :) --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 10:16, 3 May 2011 (MST)		** Well.. except for the absolutes (wasn't Jaator 2nd level 50?) I still have my concerns :) Personifications and "mosts" just can't be agreed on. I shall suggest this... Make a new poll on the forums, make a big todo out of it, we can post it out to twitter and facebook. Then plan on doing it yearly. :) --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 10:16, 3 May 2011 (MST)
	*** I think a two pronged approach would be better: one for categorizing 1x - 3x characters, and one for 4x forward. There's a lot of people playing now that didn't play when many of the folks on that list were making history - and attrition is continuing to pick away at the older player base. (For example, I have a 2003 log when Erond was given the rank of Honorary Immortal, and active players like Dundrave didn't even know who he was. Erond was one of the MOST unique characters in TFC history, given that he was a Paladin three times, for three different immortals, and appears in the Room of Records three times. By any categorization: Legendary.) Heck, 3x's introduction was in 1997 -- that's FOURTEEN YEARS ago. I believe that we should create an initial established group, obtaining a minimum of five yes votes received, one of whom should be a Wiki Administrator to prevent vote-stacking, per character inducted. Then going forward, use your idea of an annual vote for 4x characters. (Though I am not sure if there's a means to do a poll of "Yes/No is this person Legendary" on the Forums?) [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 12:40, 3 May 2011 (MST)		*** I think a two pronged approach would be better: one for categorizing 1x - 3x characters, and one for 4x forward. There's a lot of people playing now that didn't play when many of the folks on that list were making history - and attrition is continuing to pick away at the older player base. (For example, I have a 2003 log when Erond was given the rank of Honorary Immortal, and active players like Dundrave didn't even know who he was. Erond was one of the MOST unique characters in TFC history, given that he was a Paladin three times, for three different immortals, and appears in the Room of Records three times. By any categorization: Legendary.) Heck, 3x's introduction was in 1997 -- that's FOURTEEN YEARS ago. I believe that we should create an initial established group, obtaining a minimum of five yes votes received, one of whom should be a Wiki Administrator to prevent vote-stacking, per character inducted. Then going forward, use your idea of an annual vote for 4x characters. (Though I am not sure if there's a means to do a poll of "Yes/No is this person Legendary" on the Forums?) [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 12:40, 3 May 2011 (MST)

			* Well, we never really got any kind of consensus, since 'Legendary' is subjective. So, I've made a category called First, to simply designate those who were, irrefutably, the first to do any particular major achievement. [[First!]] [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 09:20, 11 June 2011 (MST)

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	* OK, it sounds like we're kind of split. Do ya'll agree with all of those listed currently? Are there additional names you think need to be on the initial list? If ya'll do NOT agree with those listed, pipe up! [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 15:22, 2 May 2011 (MST)		* OK, it sounds like we're kind of split. Do ya'll agree with all of those listed currently? Are there additional names you think need to be on the initial list? If ya'll do NOT agree with those listed, pipe up! [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 15:22, 2 May 2011 (MST)
	** Well.. except for the absolutes (wasn't Jaator 2nd level 50?) I still have my concerns :) Personifications and "mosts" just can't be agreed on. I shall suggest this... Make a new poll on the forums, make a big todo out of it, we can post it out to twitter and facebook. Then plan on doing it yearly. :) --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 10:16, 3 May 2011 (MST)		** Well.. except for the absolutes (wasn't Jaator 2nd level 50?) I still have my concerns :) Personifications and "mosts" just can't be agreed on. I shall suggest this... Make a new poll on the forums, make a big todo out of it, we can post it out to twitter and facebook. Then plan on doing it yearly. :) --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 10:16, 3 May 2011 (MST)
			*** I think a two pronged approach would be better: one for categorizing 1x - 3x characters, and one for 4x forward. There's a lot of people playing now that didn't play when many of the folks on that list were making history - and attrition is continuing to pick away at the older player base. (For example, I have a 2003 log when Erond was given the rank of Honorary Immortal, and active players like Dundrave didn't even know who he was. Erond was one of the MOST unique characters in TFC history, given that he was a Paladin three times, for three different immortals, and appears in the Room of Records three times. By any categorization: Legendary.) Heck, 3x's introduction was in 1997 -- that's FOURTEEN YEARS ago. I believe that we should create an initial established group, obtaining a minimum of five yes votes received, one of whom should be a Wiki Administrator to prevent vote-stacking, per character inducted. Then going forward, use your idea of an annual vote for 4x characters. (Though I am not sure if there's a means to do a poll of "Yes/No is this person Legendary" on the Forums?) [[User:Cordir\|Cordir]] 12:40, 3 May 2011 (MST)

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	* Ultimately this is a player-run wiki so I don't want to offer TOO much of an opinion but I'm concerned there will never be a consensus on this. I would consider instead looking at the real purpose of the legendary distinction. Is it to call out certain people from the masses? Why not instead organize the player page in a way that highlights them. By created year maybe? If they played for longer than 5 years they get to be bolded? Not sure exactly but I think that continuing along this line will either create a list that only certain players relate with OR a list that is almost a copy of the players page just because criteria is impossible.--[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 22:11, 24 April 2011 (MDT)		* Ultimately this is a player-run wiki so I don't want to offer TOO much of an opinion but I'm concerned there will never be a consensus on this. I would consider instead looking at the real purpose of the legendary distinction. Is it to call out certain people from the masses? Why not instead organize the player page in a way that highlights them. By created year maybe? If they played for longer than 5 years they get to be bolded? Not sure exactly but I think that continuing along this line will either create a list that only certain players relate with OR a list that is almost a copy of the players page just because criteria is impossible.--[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 22:11, 24 April 2011 (MDT)
	** Re: Natena - the purpose here (IMO) is to highlight exceptional and memorable player characters. TFC is approximately 17 years old, and full of amazing history that would have been lost to the ages if not for people like Cordir, Marisa, Kaern, etc. It is impossible to make a list whose criteria are perfect, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth the effort. Many organizations from pro sports to occupational associations have a "Hall of Fame", and nearly all inevitably are subjectively picked via member voting (and generate considerable controversy). Furthermore, TFC's official Hall of Fame is not maintained, and because of it's age is a list very few players can relate to. Yes we run the risk of excluding people, but I think the benefit of honoring great contributors outweighs the risk of alienation. Just my .02 cents! [[User:Rath\|Rath]]		** Re: Natena - the purpose here (IMO) is to highlight exceptional and memorable player characters. TFC is approximately 17 years old, and full of amazing history that would have been lost to the ages if not for people like Cordir, Marisa, Kaern, etc. It is impossible to make a list whose criteria are perfect, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth the effort. Many organizations from pro sports to occupational associations have a "Hall of Fame", and nearly all inevitably are subjectively picked via member voting (and generate considerable controversy). Furthermore, TFC's official Hall of Fame is not maintained, and because of it's age is a list very few players can relate to. Yes we run the risk of excluding people, but I think the benefit of honoring great contributors outweighs the risk of alienation. Just my .02 cents! [[User:Rath\|Rath]]
			*** I bow to your wishes, as i said to begin, this is a PLAYER wiki. I only offer advice, opinions and some options when I can. :D --[[User:Natilena\|Natilena]] 20:19, 26 April 2011 (MDT)