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A Discussion of Morality

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Keller gossips (in common), 'M'lady Clytemnestra, I was wondering if you were interesting in continuing our debate before regarding absolute versus subjective morality?'.

You gossip (in common), 'Absolute morality corrupts absolutely!'.

Clytemnestra gossips (in common), 'Perhaps at a less unGodly hour, Sir Keller...I'm near to retiring this Eve/Early Morn.'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'pity...I found myself with a spare moment to discuss such matters. As you will, M'lady. Peace favor your sword.'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'why do you think that morality corrupts, Oook, out of curiousity?'.

You gossip (in common), 'It really depends on those who define morality'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'and how do you define morality, then?'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'I would assume if you admit the existance of an absolute morality that means there can be only one correct code.'.

You gossip (in common), 'Well, the ogre version tends to be 'Hit it before it moves.''.

Keller gossips (in common), 'well, then it's not really absolute, is it? An absolute morality would needs be applicable to all races and individuals.'.

You gossip (in common), 'One True morality would require One True culture/mindset, I think.'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'interesting. Is there an absolute good and evil?'.

You gossip (in common), 'So if you enforce an absolute morality, then be definition some groups automatically become 'corrupt/immora'l''.

You gossip (in common), 'No, no absolute good/evil'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'ah, that is where we differ, then.'.

You gossip (in common), 'Those are human definitions.'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'mayhap. let me ask you this, then. Is it better to do things for yourself, or for the tribe?'.

You gossip (in common), 'Tribe rhetoric says it is better to do it for the tribe.'.

You gossip (in common), 'But if I walk into Midgaard and kill off old people that are a drain on their community resources, I am considered Evil'.


Keller gossips (in common), 'ok, let's take it beyond your tribe, though. Is it better to act for the benefit of your tribe, or for the benefit or all ogres?'.

You gossip (in common), 'For my tribe. Some ogres deserve the rock that is dropped on their heads.'.

Keller gossips (in common), '*nod* that explains your position, then :)'.

You gossip (in common), 'Sadly, yes. I blame it on genetics.'.

You gossip (in common), 'If it weren't for the +int gear I was wearing, I wouldn't even stoop to having this conversation, I fear.'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'in my belief, there is an absolute good and and absolute evil. it is our duty to strive towards that absolute good.'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'but the goal is the journey to try to achieve that goodness, not the goodness itself.'.

You gossip (in common), 'What, or who, defines the absolute good for all?'.

Pol gossips (in common), 'the point of departure is not to arrive...'.

You gossip (in common), 'Or is it that we can never achieve absolute good, however it is defined?'.

Pol gossips (in common), 'sorry....got a Rush lyric stuck in my head....'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'nobody defines good and evil, Ook...they just are.'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'and my apologies for missing the other o, by the way ;) )'.

You gossip (in common), 'And yet most individuals try to pin the concepts down like butterflies on wood. Or a butterfly and a cockroach, perhaps.'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'and therein lies the fundamental problem that has led to such much bloodshed.'.

You gossip (in common), 'Agreed'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'everyone is so convinced they know what good and evil is, that they fail to see that they cannot understand it.'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'it is beyond our knowledge. Yet we do know which is which, and we may strive towards one or the other.'.

You gossip (in common), 'Each carries facets of a larger image.'.

You gossip (in common), 'What of the concept that there is no good, and'.

You gossip (in common), 'there is no evil...'.

(blinded at this point)

Someone gossips (in common), 'good is beyond our understanding, but as we journey towards that understanding, we can improve our position relative to the ignorance we are all born with.'.

You gossip (in common), 'There are merely mortal perceptions?'.

Someone gossips (in common), 'being a mortal, I can only speak from my knowledge, and my knowledge states that there is a perfect goodness there, and my duty is to strive for it.'.

(blindness drops)

You gossip (in common), 'Is evil within our understanding?'.

You gossip (in common), 'What of those that strive for perfect evil?'.
You gossip (in common), 'Or can their be perfect evil?'.
You gossip (in common), 'Is it imperfect, by definition?'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'do they? or do they willfully ignore the journey towards perfect goodness?'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'think on what you consider good...and then what you consider evil? Does not evil seem to be merely the willful ignorance of those things which are good?'.

You gossip (in common), 'Some go to an awful lot of work to simply 'avoid' good. To the degree they go in the opposite direction'.

You gossip (in common), 'That strikes me as a journey as well, not just the avoidance of one.'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'but it is a journey of ignorance, not of understanding.'.

You gossip (in common), 'What if they understand, and willfully ignore that knowledge?'.

Keller gossips (in common), 'then they are obviously not progressing on the journey. If they truly understood, they would not forsake what they've learned.'.

You gossip (in common), 'Ah'.

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